[Gill123]
Well
Elaine cannot come tonight, so may I ask her question? .. She would like
to know how to treat a dog, male, that is marking in the
house?
[IanDunbar]
Back to step
one and housetrain it. Confine it
when away to an area that's ok to wee in and then keep
it closely confined when at home (on leash or in a crate)
so it can not mark. And take it
out on regular intervals for marking plus food rewards
and praise. After a week
of that let dog have supervised run of house and when
it's thinking about marking instructive reprimand
Outside!
[heartpups]
ok, in a multiple
dog household - 2 or 3 gang up on one ....... no blood shed
but lots of screaming - why?
[IanDunbar]
WHY? Who
knows? I could give you loads of ideas but we never
really know WHY dogs do things
[heartpups]
ok what to do?
[IanDunbar]
With
aggression the more important consideration is WHAT the
dogs are doing .....in this case
they are doing something which is quite normal AS LONG AS
NO DAMAGE IS DONE so we have
several options - 1. ignore them
and let them work it out -which I generally do for short
and minor spats or 2. if it
goes on for more than 3 seconds I tell the dogs
"OUTSIDE!" However, I
should mention that we only have these options because
the dogs are only squabbling and not hurting each other
[pyr]
I have a
problem with a puppy who digs in the garden - he has his
own hole that I even water
[IanDunbar]
Digging
problem right???
[pyr]
I have used the sort
of plant cages to surround some plants - it offers some
relief - yes, digging - also
just looking for a good place to lay down
[IanDunbar]
A digging pit
is the first thing and keep it loaded with good things to
find
[pyr]
he has his own hole
- he keeps all sorts of stuff in it and it is shaded -
under a large magnolia tree
[IanDunbar]
For a dog
digging in my garden (I love gardening) I would put it on
emergency treatment and even feed it out of its digging
pit - put its dinner
in a paper bag and bury it. However,
usually digging, garden barking and escaping mean that
the dog/puppy is left outside for long periods unattended
[pyr]
what to do about my
poor tomato plants meanwhile?
[IanDunbar]
Not good. I
would go with the puppy and teach it not only where to
dig, but even where to walk
[pyr]
since summer is
started I will be home, so he won't be left alone for
long anymore - even so he was only left 2 days a
week before
[IanDunbar]
For a puppy
especially it needs to be left somewhere safe whether
indoors or outdoors
[pyr]
of course, the last
3 weeks he was out by himself because our bitch was in
heat
[IanDunbar]
a long-term confinement area needs a bed, water, toys and a toilet - Full run of
house or garden is not appropriate until the dog is fully
trained
[pyr]
he has all of those
things in the yard - and it is very secure
[IanDunbar]
That's' good
but not full run of the garden or he will dig in it
[pyr]
he pulled out all of
his baby teeth trying to get out of a crate - this was
after being OK with the idea
[IanDunbar]
A doggy run
built around his digging pit is better especially if
you do things like stuff Kongs and put them in the
digging pit and then go out with the dog but shut the
gate of his run with the dog on the outside
[pyr]
the doggy run part
sounds OK for some - but I wonder about Quinn - he does
not like to be confined
[IanDunbar]
let the dog
think about that for a while - stuffed Kongs inside, me
outside soon creates a
desire for the dog to WANT to be confined in its play
area
[pyr]
our kitchen is large
in comparison to some dog runs and he went bonkers when
we would confine him there right now I am
working on getting him to accept a crate - it is a long,
slow process
[IanDunbar]
The most
important thing to teach a new puppy or dog is to ENJOY
being left at home alone - Sad but true
[heartpups]
too sad
[IanDunbar]
Accepting a
crate is simple - Same technique, feed
the dog in
the crate
[pyr]
here is what I have
been doing -
[IanDunbar]
make a big
deal of mixing up a wonderful meal and put it in the
crate and lock the door with the dog
on the outside make the dog
BEG to be let in
[pyr]
he readily accepts
his food in the crate - don't close the door, or go away,
though
[IanDunbar]
Feed each meal
in installments so dog learns
I love being in crate meals, stuffed Kongs
[pyr]
oh, ok - dog wants
to go in! I like this - locking his majesty out? But, he
has no more baby teeth to pull out trying to get in
<grin>
[IanDunbar]
but I never
get this stuff outside
[pyr]
yes, we will try
this tonight - thanks
[Gill123]
Thanks Ian
[Doghouse86]
My
question has already be answered - how do you train a dog
to enjoy going into his travelling cage?
[IanDunbar]
There are many
other things to do with the crate. For example to
put the dog in the crate before each and every good time
[Gill123]
That's a good
idea, had not thought
of that one!
[Doghouse86]
The answer re
locking food in is brilliant - thank you
[IanDunbar]
ignore the dog
when he's free and read to him from the newspaper when he
is in the crate
[Bazzer]
Hello Ian, It's Barry Eaton. I'd like to know
your views on verbal commands on aggressive dogs in growl
classes?
[IanDunbar]
Barry HELLO, Longtime no
see, Don't
understand the question Barry
[Bazzer]
Hi ya. Yes
indeed. I don't believe in lead jerking but vocal
commands have no effect on some dogs. What do you
suggest?
[IanDunbar]
Don't
understand the question Barry, OK
[pyr]
what are growl
classes?
[Bazzer]
Classes where
aggressive dogs get together to try to sort out their
problems
[IanDunbar]
The whole
thing about growl classes are that we have checked out
all the dogs and the fight,
and they are obnoxious but have not caused harm - not
sent a dog to the vet the growl
class therefore offers a safe forum (without
embarrassment) for the owners and dogs to learn two
things -1. How to
control their dogs around other dogs all of the
owners will learn this
[Bazzer]
That's about
right. But they're wearing muzzles - just in case. What
would you suggest if they lunge at each other
[IanDunbar]
2. some dogs
will also learn to play off-leash, so we muzzle
them (mainly for the owners sake) because none of these
dogs have ever bitten and then we
see what happens because the
dogs have been tested to be safe we have many options
[pawsnlearn]
Do you hold
them indoors or outdoors??
[Bazzer]
But if they lunge
at each other while on lead, what should the owner do?
[IanDunbar]
to let them
growl or scrap it out or to intervene - The best way
to stop lunging or any obnoxious behavior is to praise
the dog when it stops
[Bazzer]
Not shout or jerk
the lead? How would they intervene?
[IanDunbar]
we can not do
this in normal everyday living but we can in
the growl class
[Gill123]
so a "set
up" so to speak?
[IanDunbar]
By setting up
a troubleshooting situation with one dog on leash and
still and the other 7 walking by the dog will
be exposed to the same dogs over and over the first few
passes will be horrendous but what else
is new we just ignore
the dog's tantrums and wait - soon, usually
after five or six passes the dog's enthusiasm for
growling and lunging starts to wane. Now we can
start praising the dog - Important
point:
[Bazzer]
What about
tethering the dog to a pipe or something sturdy and the
owner moving away when he lunges?
[IanDunbar]
if we punish
the dog for lunging or growling from the outset the
approach of another dog becomes the contingent cue for
our punishment - hence the dog
will growl MORE - Once we have
praised the dog for not lunging and for being quiet, this
will not be the case and so then you may reprimand if you
like I would never
jerk or tighten the leash when doing this - no longer
anyway - I used to but it just
makes things worse
[Pattie]
Hi, How
would working with a dog that is afraid of people get
over it's fear?
[IanDunbar]
Fear problem -
food as always - To improve
your dog's social life - improve your own, what I mean by
that is invite someone over every night to hand feed
your dog its dinner AND to train
your dog for you. One of the
best temperament tests is to offer a dog food
[pyr]
now, that would be a
true friend - to hand feed your dog it's dinner even one
night <grin>
[IanDunbar]
if it refuses
let the owner give the food - if the dog
doesn't take it from the owner either it is
not hungry or it is scared of the environment (vet clinic
for example)
[Gill123]
pyr you got to
give something back to your friend for that <g>
[IanDunbar]
BUT if the dog
takes the food from the owner, then the dog is scared of
you
[pyr]
that explains why
Marcella will not take cookies at the vets
[IanDunbar]
Not taking
cookies such a simple
thing but it tells you so much the doggie is
stressed and I would start to work with it. When people
come to my house the first thing we do is go to the
kitchen and I watch them offer the dogs a cookie. - Simple test
but tells you a lot.
[pyr]
so you can tell if
your dogs like the person - take the cookie or not?
[IanDunbar]
all it takes
is time and patience and really it is a wonderful way to fulfill outstanding social obligations, invite a
couple over to feed your dog or if you're a
single woman, invite ten men
[Gill123]
sounds good to
me!!
[IanDunbar]
the men are
easy to train as well just offer them pizza, beer - and soccer on the telly. Remember, your
social life is as important as your dogs
[Gill123]
Ok Alyssa wants to know....Her dog will
chase a toy she has thrown....but will not
bring it back, how best to
train please?
[IanDunbar]
Train the
chain backwards as it should
be trained. Firstly teach
the dog to give a chew toy or bone for a treat then return
the toy/bone and repeat. After teaching
thank you teach pick up and give in the living room put the tennis
ball on the floor and say thank you - some dogs get
it right away, if so do this
before all good times -have the dog
pick up something and give it to you for a treat. If dog does
not catch on right away try a clicker type approach (with
or without the clicker). Then try it in
the park, pick up and
give, pick up and
give over and over with the dog on leash..... Then let the
dog off leash and roll the ball and say thank you - this usually
works but here is a much better way.............Go out with
two dogs your reluctant retriever and one that retrieves
well - Throw both
balls but only one
treat for the first dog back, it's the
quickest way to improve slow or no retrieves that I know
of
[Gill123]
yes good idea
[IanDunbar]
When I tried
this with my malamute I used to really tease her and show
her the treat before giving it to Oso - Now if Oso
gets it first, Phnonie will intercept and steal the
frisbee to give it to me for the treat
[Gill123]
thanks!
[Gill123]
Well
Marie and Tina have not asked anything tonight
[pawsnlearn]
Do you find
dogs get highly stressed in growl classes??
[IanDunbar]
Yes! - Initially it
is very stressful for everyone and if a dog
looks too stressed take it out immediately
[pawsnlearn]
So - how
quickly do things chill down??
[IanDunbar]
But for most
dogs it cracks me up, They are all
growling and lunging on leash and the owners are sweating
and then I say let them off leash and most of the dogs go
quiet. In fact it
gets very quiet. and usually a
couple will sniff and even start to play. I should
reiterate though that growl
classes are only suitable for dogs that have not caused
damage that's a whole different affair
[pawsnlearn]
We do this
outside with a lot of space - never tried indoors
[pyr]
so, with these dogs
it's all show? - what is different if
they have caused damage?
[IanDunbar]
poor prognosis
for them because they have not learned their bite
inhibition in puppy hood
[pawsnlearn]
Yes .........
[IanDunbar]
The greater
the number the fights the dog has had, usually the better
the prognosis. If they have
caused damage, all you can really teach is for the owners
to learn how to control their dogs around other dogs
[pyr]
more fights = better
prognosis?
[IanDunbar]
But a lot of
these dogs are relentless and a single one can ruin a
good growl class
[pawsnlearn]
I can imagine
[IanDunbar]
More fights
usually means no damage done unless the owner is a fool -Three fights
lots of damage = poor prognosis
[pawsnlearn]
Do you run
them indoors Ian??
[IanDunbar]
lots of fights
and no damage = excellent prognosis because the dog is
just scared and full of bluster
[pawsnlearn]
I mean a hall
[IanDunbar]
Look at Shogun
on the videos ...... If you hear
the growls and barks it is scary but...if you watch
it without the sound you will see all the bent elbows,
playraises, licks and playbows the dog
obviously wants to play but dare not
[pawsnlearn]
like a sheet
of glass is in front of him??
[pyr]
my dog is a Great
Pyrenees - used for livestock protection. Most breeders
advocate that 2 adult males should not be together however, there are
many people who keep and breed the dogs in fairly large
areas who regularly run 2 or even many males together these people do not
have problems - what do you make of this Ian?
[Tina1234]
name of video
please?
[IanDunbar]
I think it is
the Training The Companion Dog (1st video in the set of
four)
[IanDunbar]
Always look
for a bent elbow and the tip of the tongue - good signs
that the dog really wants to play despite the growls and
barks. After the
first class though it is not as stressful - Sorted out the
dogs and maybe removing just one dog and you have an
entirely different social group
[Gill123]
do you
have any new videos or books in the pipeline Ian?
[IanDunbar]
Lots a new
books coming
[Gill123]
when can we
expect them?
[IanDunbar]
Redoing two
little booklets at the moment and then re-edit the
Behaviour Booklets -a cat book - a book on aggression and
an anthology of my all time favourite articles - Ian's trying
to be a busy boy. They will be
done when they are done
[pyr]
anything about
understanding behavior through body language?
[IanDunbar]
YES! Great
little book I did for Howell Book House "Dog Behavior -
Happy Healthy Pet series" or something like that ... Check Them out
at my sister's website www.barkingjones.com
[Gill123]
You ever met
Turid Rugaas?
[IanDunbar]
Yes I have met
Turid -lovely lady - One of the
white hats
[Gill123]
Isn't she, fascinating work
[Gill123]
Tina did
you want a quick question before Ian has to go?
[IanDunbar]
Fire away Tina
[Tina1234]
I would like to
know how to stop -self reinforced barking. i.e. one dog
barking at the rest of the pack when they are resting
[IanDunbar]
I would
probably feed each of the other dogs one piece of kibble
for every time the other dog barked. I love doing
things like that - gets attention quicker than anything then tell the
barker to settle down and shush and after a while give
all dogs a piece of kibble
[Gill123]
God I love your
way of thinking!
[Tina1234]
umm ok ! I will
give it a try thanks!
[IanDunbar]
Ian's going out to the garden now
[Gill123]
Ian, thank you
so much for doing this for us
[pyr]
thanks a bunch!
[pawsnlearn]
Bye Ian and
all - thanks loads
[Gill123]
Have a lovely
day!
[Bazzer]
Thanks Ian. see
ya
[pyr]
bye!
[Gill123]
byeeeeeee
[Tina1234]
I enjoyed the
chat and learned a lot thank you
[IanDunbar]
Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[IanDunbar]
Don't forget
that beer Barry
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